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The Americas
3,525
3,647 Thera
Eruption Destruction of Minoans
3500 Olmec:
S. Mexico 1500 BC to 400 BC
3,447 Shekinah A Deluge
3,341 King
Tutankamen Egypt R1b1a2 haplotype well
established
3,200 Rise
of Celts Urnfield Culture central Europe
3,200 End
of Bronze Age Europe Drought Hatti,
Wars, migrations, raiding, drop in trade
3,200 Mediterranean
Sea Peoples Origins Sardinia, Anatolia,
Greece, raided Levant, Egypt
So the Olmec or Ti people made these
huge heads and the standard history is they appeared about 3,500 years ago
complete with writing system, astronomy, huge stoneworks and greatly more than
just the subsistence level. But what
about Hueylatlaco? Academics have been
trying to ruin careers over the dating of stone tools found at the Hueylatlaco
site in Mexico, but I prefer to go with a real scientist and his determination. It is difficult to contradict.
”
Biostratigraphic researcher Sam VanLandingham has published two peer-reviewed
analyses that confirm the earlier findings of ca. 250,000ybp for the
tool-bearing strata at Hueyatlaco. His 2004 analysis found that Hueyatlaco
samples could be dated to the Sangamonian
Interglacial period
(ca. 80,000 to 220,000ybp) by the presence of multiple diatom species, one of which first
appeared during this era and others that became extinct by the era's end.[9] VanLandingham's 2006 paper[10] refined and re-confirmed his
2004 findings.” https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hueyatlaco
Tools
found in the strata are obviously old and of some refinement, not Eurasian but
of the Americas.
Figure 123: Tools found at Hueyatlaco https://bibliotecapleyades.net/ciencia/archeohhist/archeohhist05.htm
Lest I be referred to as
‘fringe’, I prefer to look at all viewpoints before casting them out. I remember the dating controversy Dr.
Dillahay encountered with his work in South America, establishing a vastly
earlier human presence than the entrenched academia in some instances. I applaud Dr. Dillahay to this day!
Is the Hueyatlaco
controversy another academic ambush? I
tend to think it is. I hope the Mexicans
take over the site and excavate it and find more. They could make an exhibit in the big museum
in Mexico City. I read there was a
skullcap found also. I wonder where it
went? The Mexicans should demand it
back.
So now I think the Ti or
the Olmec were there a long time before the ‘established’ academics said they
were. Their culture was too advanced and
too prescient to be so young. And who
would have thought to make stone heads like these?
Figure
124: Olmec Head http://www.ancient-wisdom.com/mexicostoneheads.htm This site has numerous photos of Olmec
heads. I recommend it highly.
This next photo is of an item
recovered from the Father Crespi collection based in Equador. I do not think this particular item is a
fake. The leggings match the headgear of
the colossal Olmec head. This piece
might be Pleistocene. It shows a
beardless man in an elaborate costume standing on a tiled floor with
undecipherable symbols on each tile.
This is fine work, not the work of some faker.
Figure 125:
Father Crespi artifact https://www.ancient-origins.net/ancient-places-americas/father-crespi-and-missing-golden-artefacts-001196
This man’s face is of another ethnic
group than that of the stone heads, but definitely not Mayan either. Some people feel the stone heads indicate
African ancestry and others say the heads resemble those of living people in
the area.
The map shows the Olmec area of
influence, which obviously began on the east coast of North America and spread
to the surrounding areas, if current knowledge is correct. If the Olmec were indigenous, was that the
best area to live? Abundant fishing and
tropical fruits and back in the Pleistocene, a place to hunt and raise
crops. Were the Olmec traders? In the Pleistocene, there was more land out
there in the Caribbean and Florida was larger and I know those people traveled
the Gulf of Mexico and spread their culture North to the Moundbuilders. Were there communications with Africa? I think there was, during the Pleistocene or
the Bolling Allerod surely and probably long before that. I think the commerce was suspended during the
latter part of the Bolling Allerod, during the time when Atlantis is said to
have disappeared and the sea between EurAfrica and the Americas became
treacherous and technology became lost.
Figure 126: Olmec and
Maya areas of influence https://www.crystalinks.com/olmec.html
The map illustrates the known
knowledge of the Olmec diffusion, which might be related to the Monte Alto
culture in Guatemala which is said to be in existence before the Olmec. The blending of Olmec and Maya
characteristics takes place after the end of the Younger Dryas, maybe. I think the dates for the Olmecs are far too
compressed and that Pleistocene era megaliths reported in Mexico must be
examined, Mitla in particular.
“Theodore G Schurr
and colleagues(1990) 'Both the North American Pima and the Central
American Maya have high frequencies of the Mitochondrial DNA sequence
variation containing the rare Asian RFLP Hine II morph 6 in conjunction with an
Asian-specific 9 based pair deletion.' It appears that both the Pima and the
Maya are genetically very close to the Polynesians. The arrival of these genes
in America is believed to have been between 6-8,000 years ago, ruling out the
possibility of Polynesian origins as Polynesians have only been in the Pacific
for 2,200 years. A migration from America is far more logical.” http://users.on.net/~mkfenn/page5.htm
I suggest that
you go to that site and look at the genetic evidence detailed there. This is definitely a new theory and the data
they have is interesting and probably open to a variety of
interpretations. Maybe there were two
kinds of Polynesians: a northern group
and a southern group. And maybe the
northern group did develop and spread south along the coasts. Or maybe the Polynesians are the remnants of
an ancient Pacific Rim Civilization.
Genetics does not
lie but our data is incomplete. Dr.
Tokunaga has seen the evidence of Yonaguni and has studied the genetics.
“HLA24-Cw8-B48, A24-Cw10-B60 and A24-Cw9-B61
were all commonly observed in Taiwan indigenous populations, Tibetans,
Thais, Japanese, Orochon in North East China, Buryat, Man,Yakut, Inuit,
Tlingit, Pima, Maya and Maori.' These findings further support the hypothesis
that East Asia (Yonaguni/Taiwan area) was the dispersal point for all these
cultures. This exodus 6-8,000 years ago coincides with the final rapid rise in
sealevels at the end of the Ice Age which flooded this megalithic civilization
on the island chain between Taiwan and Japan.”
Katsushi Tokunaga and colleagues. ‘Genetic link between Asians and
Native Americans: Evidence from HLA genes and haplotypes' in Human Immunology
62 1001-1008 (2001).
This information appears to be a
beginning salvo in an academic war about the origins of the Polynesians, with
new theories seeking to prove the Northwest Coast of North America and now
other American origins for the Polynesians.
I have long thought that the Beringia only migration theory was
erroneous and narrow in scope.
So do Olmec heads look like Polynesian
kings or warriors?
Figure 127: Olmec Head https://www.lazerhorse.org/2014/10/02/olmec-incredible-mesoamerican-art/#
Here’s an old photo of a Polynesian
woman to compare with the Olmec head:
Figure 128:
Polynesian Woman http://killpic.pw/Vintage-Topless-HULA-GIRL-Postcard-Polynesian.html
These kings wore helmets that look
like battle helmets to me but I suppose they could be sports helmets. It is said that the heads were the
kings. What did these people appreciate? I know they made rubber balls and traded
rubber. Academia is obsessed with who came first and
who discovered it when they should realize that many cultures back then were
contemporaneous, just like today and they adopted each other’s foods and arts
through trade and war just like today.
So if the Olmecs or Ti People looked like one group and the Mayans
looked like another group, they eventually blended, possibly after some ancient
war and migration, or extensive trade and migration.
Figure 129: Olmec
Head https://www.thoughtco.com/olmec-religion-2136646 Olmec
Head at the Xalapa Anthropology Museum. Photo by Christopher Minster
Asian physical influence is obvious in
the next photo. The ‘baby’ looks Asian
and is wearing an Asian style hat. Gavin
Menzes has several books out detailing the voyages of the early Chinese that
are well worth reading.
It looks like the early Asians left
all kinds of calling cards like pottery styles and facial structures as they
merged with the early indigenous cultures in the Americas. I do think there was a Pacific Rim Culture
during the Pleistocene and I think genetics is finally unravelling the truth. Not all civilizations rose in the ‘old’
world, so that term should be dropped for lack of meaning. Maybe the Polynesian civilization did arise
in the Americas…
Maybe Chinese cultural attributes
traveled with the groups that became the Maya, like hats and pottery styles and
writing….Asian looking Olmec artwork is common and the Olmecs made small highly
polished jade carvings similar to those of central China.
Figure
130: Olmec Baby http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread992421/pg1
This babyish figure has an Asian face
and the hat also looks Asian. There are
many figures like this in the Olmec art.
This face looks like a combination of
the Asian and Olmec possibly.
Figure 131: Olmec Adult https://www.ancient.eu/Olmec_Civilization/
We see the merging of two civilizations in the
Olmec art, one Austronesian and Polynesian in origin and the later one a
migration from Asia, bringing the glyph style of writing, which soon
predominated.
Maya art glorifies rulers and a
careful analysis of the facts you can glean from just looking at it shows their
mindset and their judicial system.
A stelae was found in Kaminaljuyu, a Mayan site in the isthmus closer to the
Pacific Ocean. Bound captives are shown
and these captives show us something about them. Two of the captives have a bone crosswise in
their nose. Every human figure has a
different headdress or an ornament behind their heads and every figure but the
top left have ear spools or large round earlobes. Were these people all different status? The hats mean something, like the police
chief wears a differently decorated hat to signify status. I know there are ancient examples of huge
earlobes and ear spools all over Southeast Asia and in Equador and other areas
in South America.
Figure 132:
Kaminalijuyu https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kaminaljuyu#/media/File:Monument_65.jpg By
Jonathan Kaplan1938, CC BY-SA 3.0, https://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?curid=50228388
Kaminaljuyu Monument 65, 290 by
200 by 33 cm
So the honchos sitting
on the ‘thrones’ are obviously in control.
The captives look suppliant and scared but the honchos are flipping them
off! Look at the hands. It’s the bird! The origination of the ‘bird’. I thought about it a while remembering the
bird in Merida, Mexico City, Guadalajara, LA, Phoenix, Tucson, Albuquerque, El
Paso, Houston, Brownsville……not that I was flipped off that many times. I don’t remember the bird in Germany or
France or Spain although it may have been there. I
don’t know about Asia or India or China.
I guess the ancient Maya and probably the Olmecs used the gesture, like
a thumbs down given by Nero. It’s strange
how something like that lives on.
Do these depict the
conquering of the Olmec by the Mayans?
The faces look like different, one more Olmec and one more Mayan. Was there a turncoat Mayan in the middle
right figure?
What do the headdresses
signify? I had a theory that the
elaborate designs emanating from the craniums might be thoughts
visualized. It looks like the three
‘kings’ have the same hairstyle, luxuriant hair caught behind the neck in a
band. The suppliant Mayan looking figure
does not have the same hairstyle as the ‘kings’. This was an ancient war we can learn about if
we think and observe the information available.
I love this stelae! What is the meaning of the small sphere in
front of the kings’ faces?
The spheres in front of
the rulers’ noses might be related to the flaming pearl that indicated wisdom
and strength when before a dragon’s face.
This unrestored pyramid
is said to be built by the Olmec and is now said to be an ancient step pyramid
but recent research has found megaliths in the area. Check out Brian Forster’s Utube presentation
on the Olmecs. Mr. Forster knows
megaliths all over the world and I take his word for it! How many step pyramids have a megalith
base?
La Venta Pyramid said to be an eroded
rectangular step pyramid 33 meters high
Figure 133: La Venta
Pyramid http://www.ancient-wisdom.com/mexicolaventa.htm
The Olmec pyramid at the Cantona site
looks like those in the Canary Islands in restored condition. I
think there was another layer on top or it had pillars, like a Toltec pyramid.
Olmec
pyramid restored, Cantona site
Figure
134: Olmec Cantona site https://travelingted.com/2012/11/26/cantona-olmec-ruins-in-mexico-photo-essay/
Some
look for an African origin for the Olmec but genetic studies suggest
otherwise. The shape of these pyramids
might offer a clue as to ancient influences and trade ideas and possibly
skilled workers migrating and imported, complete with architecture, like the
Greeks. It’s not a coincidence that they
look alike, like the step pyramid of Saqqara in shape. Stones or adobes?
I
look at photos of these things and count the steps and they usually appear to
be 5, 7, 9, 11 steps, varying with the size.
Why not 4,6,8 etc.? There is a
significance to this sequence.
The
Saqqara Pyramid was said to be built about 2648 BC, a thousand years after the
Olmec civilization. Maybe some ideas
came from the Olmec to the Africans.
Saqqara
Pyramid Egypt 4648 years old Standard
Dating
Figure 135: Saqqara
Egypt https://www.tripadvisor.com/LocationPhotoDirectLink-g294202-d469330-i23945835-Step_Pyramid_of_Djoser-Giza_Giza_Governorate.html
The
Canary Island pyramids look related and are said to be made by the Guanches of
the Islands, a white group of people who resemble genetically the mainland
Berbers in North Africa. They are tall,
blond people who sometimes have double rows of teeth, which reminds me of the
Moundbuilders and various legends of giants in the Americas. One source called them Cro-Magnon types like
in Paleolithic Europe who settled in the Islands as the Sahara Desert dried out
and became arid by 5000 years ago.
Pyramids
Canary Islands
Figure
136: Canary Island Pyramids https://www.ancient-origins.net/artifacts-ancient-writings/did-celts-create-ibero-guanche-writing-canary-islands-008515
Some
researchers do not think the Guanches built the pyramids and other researchers
say the Guanches are actually Cro-Magnon man as he appeared in Europe. The next photo shows a pyramid in ruins
apparently related to the North African Berbers. It appears to be constructed of shale like
rocks but has the same shape with four visible layers. I hope they are able to do archaeological
work out there to find out more about it.
Pyramids
Berbers North Africa ruins
Figure
137: North Africa eroded pyramid http://www.portail-amazigh.com/2013/07/pyramides-berbers-berber-pyramids.html?m=1
To
consider pyramids coming from the opposite direction, the Zapotec pyramid of
Monte Alban shows characteristics of two kinds of pyramids, like Caral and like
the Olmec. This one looks like a
combination of the two.
What
a cultural bloom that must have been, culminating in several ancient civilizations.
Monte
Alban Zapotec Standard dates 700 BC to
1521 when their civilization was conquered by the Spanish.
Figure 138: Monte
Alban Zapotec Site Author Lsalgador82
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Piramide_parte_alta_monte_alban.JPG
El
Tajin Mexico Standard dating 600-1200 AD
as a recent local empire
Figure 139:
El Tajin Mexico Ernest Mettendorf https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:El_TajÃn_Pyramid_of_the_Niches.jpg
Tula Pyramid Tula fell about 1150 AD
Figure 140: Tula Mexico
By AlejandroLinaresGarcia - Own work, CC BY-SA 3.0, https://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?curid=24484504
The next photo is of Kol Ker Cambodia,
a step pyramid similar to those in the Americas and in the Canary Islands. Mr. Buildreps has calculated the beginning
age for Kol Ker foundations at 240,000 to 270,000 years ago. Kol Ker and the reservoir are oriented at 15
degrees West of the current pole. Koh Ker was capital of the Khmer Empire around
940 CE.
Figure 141: Koh Ker
Cambodia https://en.wikivoyage.org/wiki/Koh_Ker
Mayan Pyramid Tikal, Guatemala 732 AD
Figure
142: Tikal Guatemala https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tikal_Temple_I
Cambodian Pyramid looks like Tikal in
Guatemala. 1000 AD
Figure 143: Cambodian
Pyramid https://keeperofthehome.org/12-things-my-children-learned-while-worldschooling-this-year/
The Olmec excelled in stone carvings
resembling those of ancient Asia, possibly a remnant of that Pacific Rim
Pleistocene civilization I believe existed.
Trade was probably extensive before the beginning of the Holocene
although physical evidence is scant, artwork all along the Rim from Japan down
the coast of Mexico has similar artwork to that of the ancient Japanese and the
Northwest Coast Native Americans.
Figure 144: Olmec Figurine
http://www.antiques.com/classified_items.php?SeArChItEmS=&startrage=&endrange=&catid=380&GoPageNo=56
The next photo is of a bat bracelet, Shang
Dynasty China, 1100 BC.
Figure 145: Bat https://www.paradeantiques.co.uk/china-ceramics-glass/oriental/chinese/c1100-b.c.-chinese-shang-to-zhou-carved-russet-jade-bat-bracelet
Figure 146:
Bat https://www.paradeantiques.co.uk/china-ceramics-glass/oriental/chinese/c1100-b.c.-chinese-shang-to-zhou-carved-russet-jade-bat-bracelet
A Monte Alto Guatemala sculpture that
might be pre Olmec or something else entirely.
Figure
147: Monte Alto Guatemala http://ajourneythroughguatemala.blogspot.com/2010/07/monte-alto-culture-key-to-understand.html
Who were the Olmec or Ti People? I think the Ti were indigenous to the
Americas from some 400,000 years ago and did not develop in isolation, but was
part of a community of nations, sometimes more than others. The most recent isolation has been since the
beginning of the Holocene some 12,500 years ago due to some climate change
issues. The Olmec were very early in our
known world, easily competing with other known sites as traders and
disseminators of their genes and cultural knowledge throughout the world, not
just in a limited domain. Evidence lies
in the pyramid formats, hairless dogs, genetic data and artwork that a Pacific
Rim Civilization existed during the Pleistocene, the remnants of which were the
Northwest Coast of North America Amerind civilization, the Jomon in Japan, the
Valdivia Culture of South America, Caral, the Olmec, the Maya, and the
Ollantetambo and Saksayhuaman megaliths in South America and no doubt others
along the Chinese coast, the Phillipines and Southeast Asia. The original Amerinds were in place as new
migrants with new ideas began a settlement effort during the Holocene well
after the sea levels rose. The Olmec had
ports on the Atlantic and Pacific sides and they may have been originally
traders who settled in the beautiful region.
The end of the glacial period was a
time of trials for humanity, when populations were fluid and the coastlines
were shrinking and territory was lost and probably fights broke out and people
migrated out of necessity.
Maybe the existing decimated
populations of the Americas welcomed the new migrants, opened trade networks
and began cultural exchanges or maybe they were conquered and their culture
appropriated and blended with the new.
Some of the genetic signals appear to be quite old, and others are newer
and more prevalent. Look at the dogs!
Hairless Dog Xoloitzcuintli Mexico
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Figure 148:
Zoloizcuintli http://animalia-life.club/other/mexican-hairless-dog.html
Peruvian Hairless Dog
Figure 149: Peruvian
Xolo http://megamascota.hiperarticulos.com/peruvian-dog/
Chinese Crested hairless Dog
Figure 150: Chinese Hairless https://animalsbreeds.com/chinese-crested/
People travel and migrate with their
dogs and the intermingling of civilizations mingles dogs.
Standard Dates for these civilizations
Name and Location Standard Date
Jomon: Japan
14,500 BC to 300 AD
Daxi NW China 5000
to 3300 BC
Yangshao China
5000 BC to 3000 BC
Valdivia: coast Peru 3500-1800
BC
Olmec: S. Mexico 1500
BC to 400 BC
Adena: Midwest USA 1000
to 200 BC
Chavin de Huantar: 900
BC to 200 BC
Maya: MesoAmerica 350BC
to 1540 AD
Hopewell: Midwest USA 200
BC to 500 AD
Teotihuacan: C. Mexico 100
BC to 550 AD
Moche: 100 AD to 800 AD
Wari: 600
to 1000 AD
Cahokia: Illinois/St. Louis 600 to 1400 AD
Sican 750
to 1375 AD
Chimu 1100
to 1470 AD
